April 14, 2022, 4:24 PM Johnny Depp and Amber Heard were both violent, according to the former couple's marriage therapist. And so is it your testimony that she showed you photos of her injuries shortly after the alleged event., Somewhere in the period while she still had injuries. Did she tell you that he had hit her first, or was she the one who initiated the slap? Please enter a valid 5-digit Zip Code. Did they come from Johnny hitting her after she hit him? He had trouble talking at a similar pace. Its the only thing in this clinical session that apparently was about physical abuse or else it would not have been redacted out. The second half is a more continuous transcriptpresented in a timeline sequence without much commentary. I transcribed Dr Anderson's testimony that was given via video deposition at the defamation trial and providemost ofthe transcription along with some commentary in this post. She reported trying to initiate a fight with him one night by slapping him when she was offended by what he said."Question (54:37), Then in the last sentence: It was also at this time that she showed me photos of her injuries. When did Miss Heard show you photos of her alleged injuries?Dr Anderson (54:54), Well, to the best of my pulling together the information I wrote down, I'm saying it was right after that fight. Laurel B. Yates, MD, MPH. Internal Medicine . #JohnnyDepp #AmberHeard @LawCrimeNetwork. While a diagnosis of Amber was not presentedby Dr Anderson duringJohnny'sdefamation trial in the US, Johnny madethe claim during the UK libel trial against the Sun newspaper that Dr Anderson said thatAmberhas BPD and other personality issues. 4 in-person or phone sessions with Amber: Oct 6, 2015 -- Amber's intake session. Ambertakes the conversation off in another direction (as an abuser would) and the topic of physical abuse never seems to come up in joint sessions again. Dr. Anderson says Heard and Depp did not visit together on their first session. no one could actually have a decent dialogue with her if she was rapid firing and talking over and just barraging. It was more that they started into a fight, and I wrote that their process is a back and forth firing at each other., It is possible that Dr Anderson tried to return to the topic of Johnny's physical abuse accusation but Johnny was resistant after the haranguing response from Amber to his first attempt at the topic. Jurors convicted both brothers of first-degree murder last year. Taylor and Francis. The excuse that "I hit them because they disrespected me" is a marker of someone who grossly overreacts and turns to physical violence when they are emotionally hurt. "She initiated that one because I think she felt demeaned and threatened. Amber does not appear to follow-up on it at that time. And my recollection is she came in --- she talked to me by phone, and then came in the next day. She felt she had to hit him back if he hit her, and so she always did.Question (35:18), And again, that entry is from a session where Mr. Depp was not physically present, correct?Dr Anderson (35:25), [Reading from the session notes.] In particular, women's abuse of men is often blamed on the men that are the target of their abuse. Business mailing address can be used for mailing purpose only, for visiting purpose patients need to refer above mentioned address. she slapped him because he was being incoherent in talking about being with another woman. 13. (More on the details later.). It was also at this time that she showed me photos of her injuries. Dr Anderson appears to believe Amber's stories. she says that she hits back and now she starts it and sometimes hits him first, feeling that her pride needed to dominate, When Ms. Heard told you that Johnny Depp hits her or slaps her, Johnny Depp was not present, correct?". Its good to hear that you found the post interesting and helpful. I'm listening. He hits her. Other research shows that helping professionals have similar prejudices: "Individuals who work in the helping professions also assess behaviors by male partners to be more threatening and harmful than when those same behaviors are displayed by female partners.". Find and book Primary Care Physicians near you, Find and book providers near you by specialty. And this refers to a session that was just you and Ms. Heard, correct?Dr Anderson (57:42), And this call, which was just between you and Ms. Heard and not Mr. Depp involved, that occurred on or about December 15, 2015?Dr Anderson (57:54)Yes.Question(57:55), And was it just shortly after that call when Ms. Heard showed you pictures and actually came into your office, is that right?Dr Anderson (58:06), She came in on 12/17, so yes.Question(58:09), So Ms. Herd came in on December 17 and you saw bruises on her face, is that correct?Dr Anderson (58:18), Was that bruising that you observed similar to the bruising that appeared on the photographs that she showed you?Dr Anderson (58:32), You testified that what you saw in person was similar to what you saw in the photographs Amber gave you, correct?Dr Anderson (58:41), When she came into your office on December 17, what did her face look like?Dr Anderson (58:50), What I recall is not purple, green and blue, but just a darkening, so kind of a darker gray-blue sort of thing. And then with Ms. Heard, he was triggered andthey engaged in what I saw asmutual abuse. And I want to ask you about that one paragraph. "if he was going to leave her to deescalate from the fight, she would strike him to keep him there". Why is it So Hard To Recognize Abuse OF Men BY Women as a Problem? You remember seeing the bruises under Amber's eyes?, That's what I recall. During a phone call session between Amber and Dr Anderson Dec 15, 2015, Amber asks "Will she have advantage if she leaves him but files with police for abuse first? Its great to hear from another therapist who understands that women sometimes abuse men and that it is worthy of attention and concern. So I took everything I thought and believed conceptually about them. They don't say a lot. Did she admit it?, I don't think she denied it, but what I believe from my notes was that she galloped off in a new direction, there was no more that Johnny Depp was going to say about what he was reporting. She can be reached at her office (for appointments etc.) Did they come from Johnny defending himself from her attacks on him? Heard countersued for $100 million.. When considering for yourself what he might have meant, keep in mind that DV does not seem to have been the focus of their couple's sessions so he might not have been thinking violence when he made the statement. A lot of that conversation is Amber returning time and again to chastising and demeaning Johnny for leavingfights and Johnny trying to get her to see that he must leave when she gets physical. Fax. Im so glad to hear that you are enjoying my posts about the Depp/Heard case. Could be one session. That's kind of a direct quote. She is a Clinical Psychologist who has been providing individual and couples' counseling in LA for 40 years. I know she came in in person to show me. Dr. Anderson later clarifies Ms. In a prerecorded deposition played for the court in April, Los Angeles-based therapist Dr. Laurel Anderson recalled marriage counseling she led with Depp and Heard back in 2015. (This seems surprising. Visit findatopdoc.com for all information on Dr. Laurel Anderson PH.D., Psychologist | Clinical in Los Angeles, CA, 90035. So what did you mean?Dr Anderson (41:39)"That was her asking me. Thank you! She releases a story toPeople magazine. Andshe slapped him because he was being incoherent in talking about being with another woman." But I'm also copying down a word here and there. Men typically have a very difficult time broaching the subject of being abused by their wife or girlfriend. But I'm also copying down a word here and there. Oct 21, 2015 --JD left part way through the session and the session continued with Amber alone. My notes are jumbly. (I talk more about this in another post:Why is it So Hard To Recognize Abuse OF Men BY Women as a Problem?). So here we have Dr Anderson testifying that she saw bruising on Amber's face the day after Amber told her that shehit Johnny because he was "talking incoherently" and asked her if she would have an advantage in divorce if she first called police to file a DV report against Johnny. We don't really have to see research to know that abuse by women against men gets minimized, but here are a couple of references showing that both the general public and helping professionals tend to discount abuse when it's female-to-male and show more concernabout male-to-female abuse. "Dr Anderson (41:43)"I believe I did. On island, started to get into something. What were you referring to there?Dr Anderson (45:40)Well, Christmas had occurred, and the goal was they had a lot of people going to his island and they were going to be together. I don't know what to think of the statement. ", This is stunning given that earlier in the same phone session Amber stated that she hit Johnny "as he sat there talking incoherently. Andshe says that she hits back and now she starts it and sometimes hits him firstbecause her history is having been violated by her father physically and just out of pride, a lot of things trigger her. That domestic violence was skirted as a topic in joint sessions and the intake session when Johnny was alone with Dr Anderson seems to be confirmed by a fact that comes out late inhertestimony: the violent episode about 6 months prior to the start of couple's counselingin which Johnny's finger is severed is not mentioned until Johnny has a session with Dr Anderson after the marriage ends. And what is it? The former couple started dating after meeting on the set of the 2011 film The Rum Diary, and married in Los Angeles in February 2015. She is defending herself by heaping on additional defamation. Click here for the video recording of Dr Anderson's Johnny v Amber Day 3 defamation trial testimony. Healthline Media does not provide medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. There is no evidence that the subject of physical violence comes up in any of the remaining joint sessions. ", [It sounds like the majority of the summary is redacted because it doesnt refer to DV. This June 18th appointment happened after Johnny and Amber's divorce had begun and about 7 months after their last couple's appointment. Correct? Dr Anderson's mention of "mutual abuse" got a lot of attention in media after her testimony. For example, theNational Domestic Violence Hotline says that mutual abuse is a myth. No discussion of session content during the trial. So she was trying to figure out what to do. she said in terms of physical abuse that he hits her, a no close fist means an open hand slap to me. It says, should she call police? What is that referred to? ], I think it is important that people recognize that reasons for behavior don't excuse behavior. Laurel Anderson, PhD, CCN (Los Angeles, CA, USA) - Dr Laurel Anderson, PhD Kristin Andrs, ACNP (Petersburg, VA, USA) - Andrs Wellness Myrto Ashe, MD (San Rafael, CA, USA) - Myrto Ashe, MD - Unconventional Medicine Dette Avalon, FNP (Anchorage, AK, USA) - My Labs for Life & Avalon Health & Wellness "Question (40:44), "And this is what she reported to you, correct? It is designed to be a starting point to help parents make baseline comparisons, not . . Do you know did Mr. Depp talk about his fingertip with you before June 18, 2016? Dr Anderson (01:03:06), No, because I would have written it when he first mentioned it to me.. And again, that entry is from a session where Mr. Depp was not physically present, correct? Johnny at first told the hospital that he cut his finger off by accident. Dr Anderson met Amber alone 4 times but only met Johnny alonetwice: once for an initial intake appointment and once onJune 18, 2016. 109-Depp v. Heard . Amber Heard recorded herself treating Depp sadistically. Dr Laurel Anderson is licensed to practice in California (license number PSY9217) and her current practice location is 9911 W Pico Blvd, 1070, Los Angeles, California. This was her talking out loud, trying to strategize for herself., She reported always hitting him back as a point of pride, but admitted that she eventually initiated the hitting herself., She reported trying to initiate a fight with him one night by slapping him when she was offended by what he said.". She talked over him. Education Laurel Anderson, PhD earned a degree of a Doctor of Philosophy. This undermines that validity of Dr Anderson's diagnosis, but let's look further at Dr Anderson's mutual abuse conclusion. Did Miss Heard tell you that she socked Mr. Depp? And the goal was to try and get through the Christmas holiday without fighting. The therapist's notes show that Amber accuses Johnny of having been the first to hit, but Johnny is not present duringher Oct 6, 2015 session when this accusation is leveled. Dr Anderson would be potentially crossing ethics lines if she shared information from an individual session during a couple's counseling appointment. Dr. Laurel Anderson is a Psychologist - Clinical based out of Los Angeles, California and her medical specialization is Psychologist - Clinical.She practices in Los Angeles, California and has the professional credentials of PH.D..The NPI Number for Dr. Laurel Anderson is 1053464016 and she holds a License No. Did she deny it? About an inch., So is it fair to say those are small bruises in more than one place? I don't really remember. The second introduction wasSeptember 9, 2015. Huge fight. Her current practice location address is 9911 W Pico Blvd . She hits back and now starts it for pride because father hit her. Would you please tell us what you meant by that?Dr Anderson (32:44), So when she said in terms of physical abuse that he hits her, a no close fist means an open hand slap to me. There is no mention of Johnny hitting Amber in Dr Anderson's notes or testimony about this phone session. Honestly, I dont know how to voice some of my thoughts about Dr. Anderson and her approach kindly. When one person initiates physical assaults, is it typically in response to intense emotional and verbal abuse and/or controlling behaviors, and not simple to common provocations, such as nagging? She is sure that Amber initiated physical violence against Johnny "on more than one occasion" but isn't sure that Johnnyeverinitiated it. We may view information that she absorbed during their therapy differently than she did because we have had access to these other sources of information. I think there's other data that will support this. Dr. Laurel Anderson is PH.D. in Clinical Psychology and her NPI number (Unique professional ID assigned by NPPES) is 1053464016. And I want to ask you about that one paragraph. He may not have even known that Amber was seeing Dr Anderson for any one-on-one appointments beyond the first individual intake sessions theyeach had. I'm talking. So there was how many one inch size bruises were on her face that you observed?Dr Anderson (59:55), Cross-Examinationon these points re bruises, A few minutes ago, you briefly spoke about seeing bruises about an inch on Amber heard space. The content on Healthgrades does not provide medical advice. It also doesn't fit with Dr Anderson's descriptions of the session that follow. What she reported to me, which was an improvement that she didn't participate.. QuestionBut before June 18, 2016, did you ever see an injury to Mr. Depps finger?Dr Anderson (01:03:30), Previous Post As a therapist and author of several books about partner abuse I've been following this case for a couple of years and was particularly interested in taking a detailed look at this testimony. Note: It sounds like the majority of the summary is redacted because it doesnt refer to DV. [Note: There is nothing to indicate that Amber was threatened by Johnny physically, but Dr Anderson may have concluded that Amber felt threatened that Johnny would leave her because of the accusation of her having an affair with another woman. And Dr Anderson testifies that she did not keep copies of the pictures for their file. We can infer from the testimony that Amber didn't take the opportunity when they were in that session together, to counter with any accusations of DV against Johnny. ", This makes it sound like Johnny has maliciously baited Amber. 10921 Wilshire Blvd Ste 1101 Los Angeles, CA 90024 Claim your business to immediately update business information, respond to reviews, and more! There is a great deal ofresearch supporting the idea that some partner abuse ismutual abuseorbidirectional, but a major challenge when talking about mutual abuse is setting the parameters of what it means. His mother died on the 20th. I think I know what you're referring to, but if you could please describe that for the record.Dr Anderson (49:05), Domestic violence charges had already been made. This testimony begins with a reference to Dr Anderson's treatment summary. Was chaotic violence, but gave as good as she got. What does that mean? I know she came in in person to show me., Did she show you photos or did she show you both? 12-Depp v. . He's complaining, but he's also just kind of describing what the relationship was. She doesn't go to see her for a session. The content on our physician directory pages is only available to viewers in the United States. No notes from the session were discussed in trial. Dr Anderson (40:59), Question (42:33) Directing your attention to the last snippet from that session. I don't think she denied it, but what I believe from my notes was that she galloped off in a new direction, Did she interrupt him during your other sessions. It is possible that she has some special exception to the rules about disclosure of personal health informationin her couple's client contract, but typical ethical constraints is for non-disclosure. Dr Andersontestifiedthat Amber says she hits Johnny "to keep him there," but from the recording weknow that Johnnyhas a pattern of leaving when Amber gets physical. "And if you would just please describe for us lay people what a clinical psychologist does. 1-Depp v. Heard: Johnny Depp Opening Statement . Therapists and others need to ask themselves whether Johnny's accusation of"being hit in the jaw"didn't get more in-session attention because the accusation came from a man. Dec 15, 2015 -- This session was discussed during testimony. I agreed., What did you understand, Mr. Depp to mean?, She initiated fights. Discussions of the noted sessions appear in the transcript later in this post. -Ann. Find a doctor near you. Dr Anderson (40:39), "She initiated that one because I think she felt demeaned and threatened." Please note: comments must be approved before they are published. Click for the 8 reasons I came up with. It appears thatDr Anderson didn't have access to all the information about Johnny and Amber's relationship that has been made public the last several years. Dr Anderson (28:08)The first line is Ms. Heard talking, saying that Mr. Depp says to her: No one likes you. ]Question (52:49), Yeah. Depends on if it's an individual or a couple. Or at least I thought somewhere around the time she got the injuries. There may have been more, but I don't remember.Question (56:10), And you weren't present during the alleged physical injuries, correct?Dr Anderson (56:19), So the only basis you had with respect to the cause of the injuries was what Ms. Heard told you, correct? Our website services, content, and products are for informational purposes only. No closed fist. Note that Amber's parallel intake session was discussed as it had DV-related content. I was askedwhy people don't recognize abuse of men by women as a problem several times during interviews about female-to-male partner abuse that I created a blog post with my answer. And she slapped him because he was being incoherent in talking about being with another woman. The second best result is Jessica Danielle Anderson age 30s in Los Angeles, CA in the Vermont Square neighborhood. She hits back and now starts it for pride because father hit her. Would you please tell us what you meant by that?. Dr Andersonhad a mixture of sessions that were one-on-one and with both JD and AH present, but they were described by her as all focused on couples' therapy. And when left alone to speak, he can describe intelligently what's going on. And so is it your testimony that she showed you photos of her injuries shortly after the alleged event.Dr Anderson (55:45), Somewhere in the period while she still had injuries. He hits her. Hi Nanda. Nothing in that next session. And if she's triggered, she would hit him first.. Use of this website and any information contained herein is governed by the Healthgrades User Agreement. There may have been more, but I don't remember., Go back very briefly to exhibit two. She started violence. From Dr Anderson's testimony about the 1st session: When Mr. Depp told you that Amber hit him in the jaw, did Amber respond in any way? Whoever's story you believe, if Dr Anderson didn't know about this event, she was handicapped in understanding, assessing, and counseling this couple. People Also Viewed Frequently Asked Questions about Anderson Laurel, PhD How is Anderson Laurel, PhD rated? But that doesn't fit with Amber "interrupted him," "He says no more about what she says about him," and "She can't let him talk.". Laurel Anderson Phd, a Medical Group Practice located in Los Angeles, CA. Two things. The attorneys ask Dr Anderson quite a lot questions about the bruises that she saw. Raising the issue and being shot down could easily be enough to stifle any willingness tovisitthe subject. Check with the applicable school district prior to making a decision based on these boundaries. he only basis you had with respect to the cause of the injuries was what Ms. Heard told you, correct? What's the reason for your visit? "Question (40:06), "This was, as I said, Ms. Heard talking on the phone to me. ), Amber claims that Johnny smashed his finger himself in a drug-fueled rage. But even in her own stories, Amber is often the aggressor.). It was all about Christmas, and her therapist telling her one thing. Philadelphia 76ers Premier League UFC. Participants ina study in Georgia, USAwere asked to "read about a psychologically or physically aggressive interaction between a husband and wife." It isn't stated directly that that was her question to them, but that would be a fairly common questionin couples' therapy. And I just want to focus on the one snippet on base, page three. And I just want to focus on the one snippet on base, page three. He hits her. Always consult a medical provider for diagnosis and treatment. Phone. This was her talking out loud, trying to strategize for herself., "Doctor Anderson, have you ever seen this document before? Dr. Anderson failed both her patients, but actively harmed JD by characterizing their relationship as . she slapped him as he sat there talking incoherently. She showed me photos, but she also came in and showed me in person., Other than the bruising on her face, what other injuries did she show you?, I don't remember. Visit RateMDs for information on Laurel Anderson in Los Angeles. The DV community's rejection of the idea of mutual abuse is grounded in their belief that DV is caused by patriarchy. I know she came in in person to show me.. ", "Did she tell you that he had hit her first, or was she the one who initiated the slap? Sept 2015 Introduction and Appointment Request. The testimony shows that DV was discussed during 3 out of 4 of the solo appointments that Amber had with Dr Anderson. I went through all of my notes, and I wrote this treatment summary. Question (40:44), "And this is what she reported to you, correct? During the 1st session Johnny and Amber had with Dr Anderson, Johnny mentions that Amber hit him. Amber Heard recorded herself treating Depp sadistically is a great way to describe the non-consented recordings Amber made of Johnny during interactions in which she set him up. I wasn't looking to memorize it. I'm listening. ", She reported trying to initiate a fight with him one night by slapping him when she was offended by what he said.", there was one severe incident in December 2015 whenI truly feared for my life., including an apparently bruised eye and cut lip, It was also at this time that she showed me photos of her injuries., she talked to me by phone, and then came in the next day. What I said previously, and I'll say it again, he's kind of doing a retrospective of trying to understand a relationship and is characterizing it as chaotic and violent. 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